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Latinum Podcast

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Latinum Podcast

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L-awtur jew kreatur:	Millner, Evan
URL:	http://latinum.mypodcast.com
Il-Lingwa li qed tiġi mgħallma:	Latin, il-
L-ilsien tas-sors:	Ingliż, l-
Lista ta' kliem ewlieni:	Materjal pedagoġiku, Korsijiet

Deskrizzjoni

Deskrizzjoni:

This free online Latin course promotes learning Latin through speaking and listening. Users can download free lessons to their MP3 player.

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Livell ta’ profiċjenza:	Livell Bażiku, Livell Nofsani, Livell Avvanzat
Ħiliet u kompetenzi:	Smigħ, Taħdit
Settur:	Edukazzjoni sekondarja, Edukazzjoni post-sekondarja, Edukazzjoni terzjarja, Edukazzjoni għall-adulti
Il-pubblikatur:	Mypodcast.com
Il-pajjiż minn fejn oriġina s-sors:	Renju Unit, ir-
Drittijiet għall-użu:	Semmi 'l min jipprovdi r-riżors
Ħtiġijiet tekniċi:	Brawżer standard Plejer tal-Kasetts/CDs Plejer tal-Vidjos
Id-data meta żdied:	2008-05-19
Il-metadata ġiet aġġornata l-aħħar:	2008-05-19

Latinum Podcast Comments.

7 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for uploading these podcasts! I have some knowledge (go to Mass in Latin) and this is an excellent help for me. I listen to them while doing my routine 'paper clean up' at the office. Thanks again!

7:58 AM

Millner said...

Pleased you're enjoying them.

8:02 AM

Anonymous said...

Loving this podcast. You've really done something fantastic here. Brilliant of you to grasp the potential of podcast technology for use with studying classical languages. This has become one of my absolute favorite podcasts!

8:15 PM

Anonymous said...

From Joseph. What an excellent idea but at the age of 83 re-studying Latin which was one of my Matric subjects I find it is spoken much too quickly and I can't remember it ever spoken at this speed. Best wishes.

11:08 AM

KalyeSpeak said...

Good job. The world needs to revive this language. :)

7:27 AM

Millner said...

Hello Joseph,
I would suggest you start with the first Adler lessons, to revise your Latin. The speed here is slow. In the Adler lessons, there is a lot of repitition.
My speed is actually quite slow, especially as I draw out the long vowels, although in the more recent lessons, my speed is more or less conversational. You would not have been exposed to Latin as a conversational language in your South African matric exams, and there was little or no emphasis on the spoken language. If you give these lessons a little of your time, you ear will rapidly attune to the Latin.

10:02 AM

Millner said...

Hello Sasha
I'm pleased you're enjoying Latinum. I have been pleasantly surprised myself at the success of my podcast. When I first set eyes on Alder's book, I knew I had stumbled across a veritable treasure trove. The question was, how to translate it into online lessons. The format that has evolved appears to be successful. Latinum is already being used by thousands of people all over the world, at all stages of learning Latin. The youngest user I know of started listening to the podcasts before she was even born - she lives in Vietnam, and her parents want her to learn Latin from infancy.
I think Latinum's main appeal is its practical focus - that Latin is being learned in order to be able to use it - read it as well, to be true, but to get a real gut feel for it as a working language. One can imagine oneself on the streets of Pompei, ordering food in a shop, buying a new toga, a family argument....the texture of the language of the day to day exigencies of Roman life that one does not get a feel for from reading the great Roman texts (barring the odd play or remnant of a novel) that have come down to us. I am still only one third of the way though Adler's tome - it is huge, by modern textbook standards. I thought it would take me a year to complete, but at current rates of progress, it may be longer. This should be about right, anyway, as it takes about 3 years of steady work for most people to acquire a language.
Once your Latin language skills are up to trying to string a few words together, be sure to join Schola.

10:17 AM

¿O sera mejor aprender Italiano por se más útil hoy en día?

http://latinum.mypodcast.com/ es el único podcast que conozco para aprender latín.

ah! e se você quiser aprender latim

ah! e se você quiser aprender latim mesmo, posso te dar umas dicas ;O). supondo que você saiba inglês, já te deixo uma: um site em que há lições áudio-orais da língua, que acompanham o programa de uma gramática que também se pode baixar gratuitamente, por acaso de um autor chamado Adler (!):

http://latinum.mypodcast.com/

Latin Grammar Notes

MILLNER LATIN LESSONS

HIC HAEC HOC HUJUS HUIC HUNC HOC

THE LATIN LANGUAGE LEARNING PODCAST FROM LONDON
LATINUM, the name of the Latin language learning podcast offered on mypodcast.com . The Free Online Language Course. Latin Grammar Over the course of putting my Latinum course together, I noted a few things about textbooks that teach grammar - the material is not usually structured for optimal memorisation. Material is presented in grammatical categories that have been chosen for good philological reasons, not for ease of learning. For example, playing around with the ordering of the declensions makes for a system that can be learned very quickly indeed: SINGULARS CASE I II III IIII V NOMINATIVE A US CLONES TRAX US ES VOCATIVE A E CLONES TRAX US ES ACCUSATIVE AM UM EM UM EM ABLATIVE A O E U E DATIVE AE O I UI EI GENITIVE AE I IS US EI MEMORISE: AH-AH-UM-A-AE-AE; ( AH AH UM A AE) US-E-UM-OO-I ( MUSEUM OOEE) CLONE'S TRAX EM-E-I-IS ( CLONE'S TRAX AMAZE) US-UM- U- UI- US (USE 'EM YOU USE) ES-ES-EM-E-EI-E (S & M E HEY!) Some notes: Just say these one after the other, and then write them down. The words in brackets are rough equivalents that help with memorisation. PLURALS CASE I II III IIII V NOMINATIVE AE I ES US ES VOCATIVE AE I ES US ES ACCUSATIVE AS OS ES US ES ABLATIVE IS IS IBUS IBUS EBUS DATIVE IS IS IBUS IBUS EBUS GENITIVE ARUM ORUM UM UUM ERUM MEMORISE: AE-AE-AS-IS-ARUM ( I 'AS 'IS ARM I.E. "I HAVE HIS ARM") I-I-OS-IS-ORUM ( EE -OS-'IS-ORM I.E. "HE HAS HIS ARM") ES-IBUS-UM (EASY BOSOM) US -IBUS -UUM ( USE 'E BOSOM I.E. "USE YE BOSOM") ES - EBUS -ERUM (EASY BOSERUM) Note the 'rule of two' the first two declensions have the first two cases the same. The 'rule of three' - the next three have the first three cases the same. Neuters always follow the 'rule of three' ADJECTIVES: Learn your adjectives in the order Feminine, Masculine, Neuter, NOT masc, fem,neuter, as in all grammar books. Then, the adjective will follow the order of the declensions, and will give clearer patterns for memorising. Here are the endings for adjectives that are declined like BONUS. CASE FEMININE (follows 1st declension form) MASCULINE (follows 2nd declension form) NEUTER (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE A US UM VOCATIVE A E UM ACCUSATIVE AM UM UM ABLATIVE A O O DATIVE AE O O GENITIVE AE I I Note the neuter of the adjective is a neutered masculine. Thus, it follows the form of the masculine, except if has the 'rule of three' for the first three cases. Putting it next to the masculine makes it easier to memorise. CASE FEMININE plural (follows 1st declension form) MASCULINE plural (follows 2nd declension form) NEUTER plural (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE AE I A VOCATIVE AE I A ACCUSATIVE AS OS A ABLATIVE IS IS IS DATIVE IS IS IS GENITIVE ARUM ORUM ORUM A COMPARATIVE TABLE SHOWING FORMS COMPARED TO FIRST DECLENSION FEMININE SINGULAR. THERE IS SOME IRREGULARITY, BUT EVEN HERE THERE ARE PATTERNS. CASE FEMININE SING NOMINATIVE HAEC MUSA BONA MEA ILLA IPSA ISTA EA VOCATIVE O MUSA BONA MEA ACCUSATIVE HANC MUSAM BONAM MEAM ILLAM IPSAM ISTAM EAM ABLATIVE HAC MUSA BONA MEA ILLA IPSA ISTA EA DATIVE HUIC MUSAE BONAE MEAE ILLI IPSI ISTI EI GENITIVE HUJUS MUSAE BONAE MEAE ILLIUS IPSIUS ISTIUS EJUS A COMPARATIVE TABLE SHOWING FORMS COMPARED TO FIRST DECLENSION FEMININE PLURAL. NOTE THE REGULARILY OF THE FORMS. MASCULINE PLURAL FORMS ALSO SHOW REGULARITY. CASE FEM. PLURAL NOMINATIVE HAE MUSAE BONAE MEAE ILLAE IPSAE ISTAE EAE QUAE NOSTRAE VOCATIVE MUSAE BONAE MEAE NOSTRAE ACCUSATIVE HAS MUSAS BONAS MEAS ILLAS IPSAS ISTAS EAS QUAS NOSTRAS ABLATIVE HIS MUSIS BONIS MEIS ILLIS IPSIS ISTIS EIS QUEIS NOSTRIS DATIVE HIS MUSIS BONIS MEIS ILLIS IPSIS ISTIS EIS QUEIS NOSTRIS GENITIVE HARUM MUSARUM BONARUM MEARUM ILLARUM IPSARUM ISTARUM EARUM QUARUM NOSTRARUM A COMPARATIVE TABLE SHOWING FORMS COMPARED TO SECOND DECLENSION MASCULINE SINGULAR. THERE IS SOME IRREGULARITY, BUT EVEN HERE THERE ARE PATTERNS. CASE MASC SING. NOMINATIVE HIC DOMINUS BONUS MEUS ILLE IPSE IS QUIS VOCATIVE O DOMINE BONE MI ACCUSATIVE HUNC DOMINUM BONUM MEUM ILLUM IPSUM EUM QUEM ABLATIVE HOC DOMINO BONO MEO ILLO IPSO EO QUO DATIVE HUIC DOMINO BONO MEO ILLI IPSI EI CUI GENITIVE HUJUS DOMINI BONI MEI ILLIUS IPSIUS EJUS CUJUS A COMPARATIVE TABLE SHOWING FORMS COMPARED TO SECOND DECLENSION MASCULINE PLURAL. NOTE THE REGULARILY OF THE FORMS. FEMININE PLURAL FORMS ALSO SHOW REGULARITY. CASE MASC PLURAL NOMINATIVE HI DOMINI BONI MEI ILLI IPSI ISTI II QUI VOCATIVE O DOMINI BONI MEI ACCUSATIVE HOS DOMINOS BONOS MEOS ILLOS IPSOS ISTOS EOS QUOS ABLATIVE HIS DOMINIS BONIS MEIS ILLIS IPSIS ISTIS EIS QUEIS [quibus] DATIVE HIS DOMINIS BONIS MEIS ILLIS IPSIS ISTIS EIS QUEIS [quibus] GENITIVE HORUM DOMINORUM BONORUM MEORUM ILLORUM IPSORUM ISTORUM EORUM QUORUM MORE PATTERNS IN ADJECTIVES (in the singular) OBSERVE: ADJECTIVES THAT ARE LIKE BONUS, USE THE ACCUSATIVE ENDING FOR THE FIRST THREE CASES OF THE NEUTER IN THE SINGULAR. CASE FEMININE (follows 1st declension form) MASCULINE (follows 2nd declension form) NEUTER (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE A US UM VOCATIVE A E UM ACCUSATIVE AM UM UM ABLATIVE A O O DATIVE AE O O GENITIVE AE I I OBSERVE: ADJECTIVES THAT ARE LIKE PULCHER FORM THEIR SINGULARS AS FOLLOWS: NEUTER ENDING IS THE SAME AS THE MASC. ACCUSATIVE ENDING. Note - the exception (marked in red) is in the name of the adjective, so is easy to remember. CASE FEMININE (roughly follows 1st declension form) MASCULINE (roughly follows 2nd declension form) NEUTER (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE RA ER UM VOCATIVE RA ER UM ACCUSATIVE AM UM UM ABLATIVE A O O DATIVE AE O O GENITIVE AE I I OBSERVE: ADJECTIVES THAT ARE LIKE TURPIS FORM THEIR SINGULARS AS FOLLOWS: FEMININE AND MASCULINE ARE THE SAME, THE NEUTER REMAINS AS A NEUTER OF THE MASCULINE (& FEM. ). NOTE THE SIMILARITY OF THE NEUTER ENDINGS TO THE ACCUSATIVE ENDING. CASE FEMININE (roughly follows 3ND declension form) MASCULINE (roughly follows 3ND declension form) NEUTER (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE IS IS E VOCATIVE IS IS E ACCUSATIVE EM EM E ABLATIVE I I I DATIVE I I I GENITIVE IS IS IS OBSERVE: ADJECTIVES THAT ARE LIKE ACER ( SIMILAR TO TURPIS ABOVE) FORM THEIR SINGULARS AS FOLLOWS: NOTE THE SIMILARITY OF THE NEUTER ENDING TO THE ACCUSATIVE ENDINGS. Note, the exception (marked in red) is in the name of the adjective, making it easier to recall. CASE FEMININE (roughly follows 3RD declension form) MASCULINE (roughly follows 3RD declension form) NEUTER (follows masculine) NOMINATIVE IS ER [IS] E VOCATIVE IS ER [IS] E ACCUSATIVE EM EM E ABLATIVE I I I DATIVE I I I GENITIVE IS IS IS Latinum Journal Did the Romans Sing their Poetry Greek Style? Contact Information evanmillner AT gmail.com

Latin Podcast FAQ

I AM NEW TO LATIN, WHERE DO I START?

I would listen to the first beginners lessons, which are the oldest episodes on the podcast. There are four lessons. Don't spend too much time on these, just listen to them once - they give you a general idea of how Latin works as a language.
Then, open up the archive week that holds the first Adler lessons, and begin from this lesson . Then work your way through the lessons. I am also working on a vocabulary learning website, which uses images and words only.This is, like the podcast, a work in progress.

I AM A MORE ADVANCED STUDENT, WHAT IS THERE FOR ME ON LATINUM?
If you are already a fluent reader, then you may find Adler of interest to get you up to speed on spoken Latin, and of more specific interest, our various readings from classical texts. These have been contributed from a variety of Academic sources - mostly lecturers and grad students with an interest in spoken Latin using versions of the restored Classical Pronunciation. There is a general text collection, a reasonably large corpus of Horace, and a growing collection of Catullus. Here you will also find the recordings from SORGLL, available in downloadable mp3 format. There is also some advanced miscellaneous material in the Entertainment section, such as the Harvard Salutatory Address, &c.


I STILL CAN'T FIND THE ADLER LESSONS, HELP!

Download the two Adler textbooks, the main book, and the key, from google books. There are links to these on the FAQ below, and new links have been posted on the Latinum website.
The lessons follow the chapter numbers in the textbook. The Dictata follow the exercise numbers in the textbook.
The recorded lessons from the book do NOT start with chapter one, but with chapter two, as the first chapter is about a type of pronunciation I'm not using.
Although you download all the episodes at once from itunes, you can listen to each episode individually. You may need to update your JAVA to download the sound files from the Latinum website.
The Adler lessons are accessed from the links on right hand column of the main webpage. If you have a slow internet connection, you may find the pages take a long time to load.

WHAT ABOUT PENSUM AND DICTATA?

Adler calls the chapters in the main textbook by the name of Pensum.
The English exercises in the main textbook, which go along with each chapter, are simply called exercises.
The Latin translations of these exercises, which are found in the smaller "Key to the Grammar", are called Dictata.


HOW DO I DOWNLOAD ALL THE EPISODES AT ONCE?

You can do this by using itunes. The podcast is available as a free download via itunes. Search for 'latinum'. I'm not sure they let you download all the lessons, you might have to return to the mypodcast website and download the first 20 or so manually from the archive for week 24.


IS THE PODCAST FREE?

The podcast is free, but you are kindly encouraged to send a donation that reflects how useful you think the podcast has been for you. :) There is a button for donations on the bottom right on the main podcast page.

HOW ARE THE ADLER LESSONS STRUCTURED?

Each Adler lesson starts with a grammar discussion.(Part A) Then the examples are given in English and Latin. (Part B) They are repeated again in Latin only. (Part C) Finally, an episode with only questions in Latin, which you are expected to answer in any possible way, is given. The intention is to get you speaking in Latin. Not all episodes have this question episode yet.

DOES ADLER COVER ALL OF LATIN GRAMMAR?

Yes, Adler's textbook is very thorough, and covers the full range of Latin Grammar. Once you have completed the course, you should be able to read any Latin text with ease, with only the need for a dictionary for new vocabulary.

CAN I BUY A HARDCOPY OF THE ADLER TEXTBOOK?

Used copies of the textbook are very (very very) rare. You can, however, download the pdf from google books.
You can then save it to a CD or put it on a pen drive, and take it down to a THESIS BINDER, or printer, who will print it up for you, and bind it. My copy was made like this, and it has a fine red cloth binding with gold lettering on the spine. There is also a key to the exercises in Adler's textbook.

WHAT ELSE IS ON THE WEBSITE FOR BEGINNERS?

The section called 'Learn from the Masters' is useful for beginners. It is a good idea to start to memorise Latin poetry and short examples of masterful prose, even before you fully understand the material, as this gives your brain a store of embedded grammatical patterns. Also, if someone asks you to speak some Latin, you will have something impressive ready to recite. Memorising Latin poetry is the easiest way to get to grips with it. Studying the complex rules for reading it correctly is tedious. So much easier to simply listen, and learn how to read it well by example.

WHAT PRONUNCIATION OF LATIN IS USED ON THE PODCAST?
Almost all the Latin you will find on the podcast is in Restored Classical Pronunciation. This is a reconstruction of how Latin was spoken on the Palatine Hill, Rome, at the time of the Caesars. In the working class areas of Rome a different accent prevailed, and outside Rome, the rustic and provincial accents would have been different yet again. The evidence we have for this type of Latin is discussed here. Regarding my pronunciation, the following points should be noted: I have made the decision to use the tonal accents. I also frequently use the informal hicce, haecce, hocce, hujusce, etc when saying hic haec hoc and even hujus. I follow Allen's 'Vox Latina' by doubling the final consonant of hic and hoc before a word beginning with a vowel, e.g. hic est becomes hic cest. This is the correct classical pronunciation of hic [hicc], which has a short vowel. I have also chosen a slightly ante-classical pronunciation of cui, and render it according to its earlier spelling, quoi.

One note: Some material on the podcast does not use classical pronunciation, such as the Latin vocabulary in the verses by Coleridge, which use a variant of the old English pronunciation of Latin. So, if you are using Coleridge's poems to help with vocabulary, keep in mind the sound of the words are not correct by classical standards..

IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO AS A FAVOUR TO HELP LATINUM?

Yes, you certainly can help - if you have a page on facebook or wherever, or a blog, or some other web presence, such a forum you visit, then writing a short paragraph about the podcast, and your experience of it, with a link to it, will be very helpful. The more links a site has to other sites,the higher up the list it goes on search engines such as the great Google. Any and all web exposure is good, even if you only provide a simple link, or even simply mention the podcast by name without a link. You could also visit delicious and "save" the Latinum Podcast, helping it rise up the ranks on delicious.

I AM TERRIBLE AT GRAMMAR, CAN I STILL LEARN LATIN?

Yes. Each lesson does have a grammar part, (Part A) but you can advance quite well by listening to part B and part C of each lesson, while avoiding the part A sections, which focus on grammar. You will never learn to speak Latin from learning grammar alone. Rather, you need to listen to Latin, and interact with it as much as possible, and try to write it. Participation in Schola, or a group like it, is very important if you are ever to truly command the language as a fluent speaker and writer.
The original methodology of Ollendorff, which Adler uses, had almost no grammar, only lots and lots of sample sentences, which slowly built up grammatical knowledge intuitively. Adler added the grammar sections into the text, giving lots of illustrative examples. If you plan to approach the lessons in a 'grammar free' way, then you will need to become very familiar with the sample sentences.
If you are a primary school student, you might find the grammar parts too difficult - so just ignore them, and get on with learning the model sentences in part B and C of each Chapter. Once you notice that you have the language well and truly under your belt, so that it starts to feel natural to you, you should go back, and study the grammar sections. You might also find my notes for learning declensions and adjectives are useful.


WHO PRODUCES THE LATINUM PODCAST?

The Latinum Podcast is published by Evan Millner, who lives in London, UK. Evan also produces the IMAGINUM VOCABULARIUM LATINUM and the SCHOLA website.

You are encouraged to write Latin as well, by joining and actively contributing to SCHOLA. No-one will comment on your grammar at Schola unless you ask for comments. The idea is to produce Latin, errors (hopefully not too many!) and all. Only through writing and speaking the language will you progress rapidly, and get total command of it. If you are using the Latinum podcast, then please do join Schola, even if you're not ready to write yet.

The Imaginum Vocabularium contains two main sources of info for vocabulary building - an extensive photographic collection, and also a version of Comenius' Orbis Sensualium Pictus, which is excellent for vocabulary revision once you have learned the words using the photographs. The Comenius entries are clearly labelled.

Evan estimates that it will take about another year to complete the Adler lessons, after which he has plans to record a series of easy Latin stories for beginners, and advanced texts. Evan is always happy to hear from users, so do drop a line.